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Should our startup be an LLC or an S-Corp Corporation?

Dave, we're trying to figure out, should we set up our business as an LLC or S-Corp? In particular, an LLC Corporation instead of an LLC partnership, though we have heard from a few people that a partnership LLC is best. What's the difference and what works best with three -- unequal ownership -- founders?


Dave's Answer:

First of all let's clarify the terms. There is not such entity as a LLC Corporation. The proper name for LLC is Limited Liability Company and the origins of this entity are based on partnership law. In the early years of LLC's most states required two members. Today in many states including Colorado you can file a single member LLC. There are good websites that compare the differences and they are too numerous to cover in this response. Just search "llc versus corporation". My focus will be to get you to ask the right questions. I'll take a more practical approach.

Okay, now the first thing you should decide is what your funding strategy is. If you are going to become the 1 in 4,000 businesses that will secure venture funding then I personally would recommend a Delaware Corporation. Here is a good perspective from someone who knows. This would be the best entity to structure and I would advise getting an expert opinion or legal advice on how to set up your capitalization tables. Delaware charges a franchise fee based on the number of shares you authorize and your book value. So you can easily end up with a fee of a few thousand per year just to have a Delaware Corporation. As a comparison Colorado charges a flat $50 to file online.

If you are going to have a few owners and you do not anticipate the need to raise external capital then the LLC is a fine way to go. You should understand though you will need to draft up an operating agreement to make the company legal. This document acts in a similar way as the Bylaws of a corporation. Prior to filing your articles of organization you will have to decide whether or not you are going to be a member managed or manager managed LLC. There is one interesting risk that is often over looked and that is if you sell the LLC it is possible you will have a larger tax bill based on how you distribute the proceeds than if you were a corporation.

Now a S-corp is legally the same as a C-corp the only difference is you will file a 2553 election with the IRS. This gives you a different tax treatment than a C-corp and it also has restrictions. The main ones are that you can have no more than 100 shareholders and only one class of stock. You also will have to keep corporate records and this means keeping minutes and having an annual shareholders meeting. Actually in my opinion I prefer to keep track and document key decisions that affect my companies. You can buy a corporate book from Blumberg Excelsior I recommend the Black Beauty. This sub $100 investment will help you keep all of your corporate documents in one folder.

Ultimately you have to decide what is best for you and understand every attorney, CPA and current entrepreneur has their own bias based on what they have typically done. For me I've set up LLCs, S-corps, C-Corps and Delaware Corporations. It really depended on what my plan was for each company.


Guest writer Brian Tsuchiya is the founder of Startup Guru, based in Boulder, Colorado. Brian has created four businesses that generated revenues in excess of one million dollars and has ridden the wave of success and failure learning equally from both.



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One point that you didn't discuss is that you can be an LLC and file to be treated as an S-Corp for tax purposes.

The biggest difference between the two is that an S Corp pays a salary to the owners (W-2 and all that) while an LLC cannot. An S-Corp taxation can give you some tax advantages depending on the profitability of the company and how it is managed.

All of them will work for unequal owners. Just specify in your articles the ownership percentages. You can also adjust this on a profit/loss standpoint as well. In other words you can have a profit/loss percentage that is different than your equity percentage.

Excellent article. I would second the advice to discuss with a competent legal,accounting and tax person. Make sure they explain WHY they say you should do something.

Good luck in your new business.

Posted by: Scott Lovingood at July 2, 2009 12:37 AM

Hi Dave,
Thanks for a thoughtful and thorough answer. As a tax professional who deals with entity formation on a daily basis for my clients, I want to clarify a few points in regards to the Delaware company formation information though. As you say, Delaware franchise taxes are based on the number of shares that a company issues. However, the fees are very reasonable in comparison to many other states. Delaware’s franchise tax rates are as follows:

1-5000 shares-$75.00 total

5001-10,000 shares-$150.00 total

Each additional block of 10,000 shares issued-$75.00 per block

My company, Comprehensive Business Services, www.comp-bus-serv.com, forms entities in Delaware everyday and I have not found that my clients feel as though Delaware is an expensive location in which to form a company, whether it be a corporation or an LLC.

Thanks again.
@TaxPro4You

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