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Craigslist buyer wants to pay me via money order: scam?

I'm selling a lightly used home theater system on Craigslist and after a week of no activity and no interest I sudden got an email from someone who says they'll pay full price plus a few dollars if I'll accept a money order. Now obviously that's suspicious, but I dunno, maybe it's legit. Should I accept a money order as payment for stuff I am selling on Craigslist?


Dave's Answer:

No you should not.

Let me explain the why's and wherefore's, though, so you understand why this is a tricky way to separate you from your stereo system or other expensive electronics.

I'll start by saying that I have also experienced this sort of thing, and the email I got from the buyer looked like this:


From: suzandavis003@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Philips HTS8100 compact home theater system (North Boulder, Colorado)

I am willing to pay your asking price.I will pay by money order as its the only way i can pay you at the moment.I will make arrangement for the pick-up after payment have been received by you. I dont mind adding an extra twenty dollars so you can keep it in my favor.Please take the posting off craigslist today and consider it sold to me.
Regards
Susan Davis
Now, in addition to the whole payment thing and the strange not minding paying an extra $20 for no reason (what legitimate buyer offers to pay more than the asking price?) I also noticed that her email address indicated she was "Suzan", but she signed it "Susan". Quite unlikely to be her (or his) real name.

More importantly, the words money order have become a flashing red warning sign in the world of ecommerce and auctions, and, heck, the very top of the email from the potential seller said:

craigstlist money order warning

To test out whether it was a scam or not, I responded with: "I'm afraid that's not going to work for me. I only accept cash, as I indicated in the advert." and, of course, never heard back.

But I was curious: how does this Craigslist (or, presumably, eBay or any other transaction) scam work? So I dug around a bit and here's what I found from the US Postal Service, in a document ominously titled Top Six Counterfeit Check or Money Order Schemes [PDF]:

"You place goods for sale online. The perpetrator poses as a buyer, sends you a check or money order for more than the purchase price, and asks you to wire the excess money to a third party (often someone in a foreign country who allegedly handles shipping logistics). This scheme may be used for large items sales, such as automobiles, motorcycles, or boats."

Gosh, that sure sounds like what the buyer had suggested!

The Postal Inspectors document goes on to explain what happens in these cases:

"You deposit the check into your account and wire the money to the contact (the employer, shipper, cyber-soulmate, businessman, etc.) when the funds are posted to your bank account. Few consumers realize that, while banks are required to post checks within a matter of days, it generally takes weeks for a check to clear. Weeks later the bank notifies you that the check was counterfeit or stolen, and you are responsible for the full value of the deposited check."

Phew! The short answer is what I gave at the beginning: Just say no!

Good luck and be careful out there, whether you're on eBay, Craigslist or just selling something through your local newspaper.



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Comments

Hi Dave (and thanks for all you do!)

Just wanted to add that this scam goes the other way too. I saw a MacBook on Craig's List for a pretty unbelievable price and listed by a "lady" who was moving to England.

Of course it turned out that the money had to be shipped to a clearing house (in Nigeria it seems), and the MacBook would also be sent there, and then that very "reputable" company would forward each to buyer and seller. I did not do it of course.

Beware what's too good to be true. It's a sure clue to these scams.

jessica

Posted by: Jessica at September 25, 2008 10:42 AM

I wanted to say thank you for posting this. I had exactly this happen and I just ended the transaction. Something seemed a little off when they asked me to take all of the money then send the payment to the shipping company. So I googled the name of the buyer and it brought me to a Criaglist scam website and then to yours. So thank you for your website and your information.

No matter what, everyone should do some research on their buyers before striking up a deal and if something seems sketchy it probably is, so don't do it.

Posted by: Keri at November 20, 2008 1:29 PM

THANKS ! for posting this info. I'm usually pretty in-tune with the typical scams, and even though we were suspcicious on this one, until we rec'd the last email suggesting we will get a money order for 2x the cost, and we have to use a particular shipping company, we were going to move forward. Then I googled his name, and the exact scheme was identified as a scam. I am embarrased I was falling for it - until the last email when it became quite clear it was a scam.

Thanks,
Brad

Posted by: Brad at December 3, 2008 7:59 AM


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